MERGED: RP-China Territorial Dispute, Related Events and Updates

[vengeanceismine]

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tricky man gud kaayo na issue. China has been in the world for quite a long time and occupied this part of Asia since ancient times. Una pa gud sila nagtrade sa mga old Pinoys na wala pa nirecognize sa ila pagka-Pinoy, iya iya tribes pa ato sauna.

since your familiar with China's claimed since 1950s so i guess that perhaps you've also read the detailed explanation of SC SAJAC on why West Philippine Sea really belongs to the Ph and it can't be the other way around


it's not tricky afterall if China defend their claimed and supported with hard facts or documents. the problem is they don't in which they muscled us out of the area in which they've build an island which was a shoal that is now the basis of their claimed that it's habitable when it should not as it's natural form is a shoal


ang China mauy nag-trick o lipat2x natu nga arun ta mukompyansa o mokalmante nipirma pud sila konuhay sa ITLOS nga at the back of their mind, they have the ambition and objective to control the area in which if they are a good and friendly neighbor in Asia, they should not have do it in the first place as a member of brotherhood of nations


kana sab imo ingon nga una sila nag-trade sa area ug mga pinoy tribe2x pa ... na-explained na pud na. it's just so unbelievable they can't support their claimed kun ugaling they have occupied this part of Asia since ancient times




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since your familiar with China's claimed since 1950s so i guess that perhaps you've also read the detailed explanation of SC SAJAC on why West Philippine Sea really belongs to the Ph and it can't be the other way around


it's not tricky afterall if China defend their claimed and supported with hard facts or documents. the problem is they don't in which they muscled us out of the area in which they've build an island which was a shoal that is now the basis of their claimed that it's habitable when it should not as it's natural form is a shoal


ang China mauy nag-trick o lipat2x natu nga arun ta mukompyansa o mokalmante nipirma pud sila konuhay sa ITLOS nga at the back of their mind, they have the ambition and objective to control the area in which if they are a good and friendly neighbor in Asia, they should not have do it in the first place as a member of brotherhood of nations


kana sab imo ingon nga una sila nag-trade sa area ug mga pinoy tribe2x pa ... na-explained na pud na. it's just so unbelievable they can't support their claimed kun ugaling they have occupied this part of Asia since ancient times




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A friend of mine wrote something about this. She was an International Relations student in USJR, I think. And this is the conclusion on the paper they wrote.

"The case of Spratly islands conflict indeed manifest the arguments of political realism where each country upholds its claim being pushed by primary motivations to hold onto power over the South China Sea. China, with its need for a strategic strong hold in the area, is poised to exhaust every available diplomatic approach to keep its best interests over the Spratly islands. Indeed, this is concrete illustration of the political realism in international relations not only for China and the Philippines but also to all of the claimant countries over the Spratly islands dispute.

Meanwhile keeping strong relationship with the ASEAN offers the Philippines to gain favour from member counties as a push factor in holding to its claims over the Spratly’s. The Spratly islands conflict will remain as long as China and the Philippines and the other four country claimants continue their stance over the disputed islands. Between China and the Philippines, unless one or both countries find windows of common grounds for settling the case, the conflict is likely to continue without any resolve.

The resolution of the Spratly islands conflict may be reached through diplomatic process, but seems far from reality as of the moment. The only positive way to arrive at certain mutually beneficial agreement could be through open dialogue between the two claimant countries. Nonetheless, continued peaceful and bilateral negotiations between China and the Philippines offer possible ways for resolving the conflict. This could ease the tension as China is more resolve to bilateral negotiations than the multinational process involving all the Spratly islands claimants. Another way is for the Philippines and China to subscribe to a diversion process. In other words, the two countries need to consider pursuing their diplomatic ties through mutual cooperation and initiative in connection with the Spratly islands aimed at stabilizing the bilateral relationship of both countries."

You can download their paper as well, if you want to in this link: https://www.academia.edu/13754740/Th...he_Philippines

The point really, is that the issue can only be solved via bilateral talks and mutual cooperation.

[vengeanceismine]

A friend of mine wrote something about this. She was an International Relations student in USJR, I think. And this is the conclusion on the paper they wrote.

"The case of Spratly islands conflict indeed manifest the arguments of political realism where each country upholds its claim being pushed by primary motivations to hold onto power over the South China Sea. China, with its need for a strategic strong hold in the area, is poised to exhaust every available diplomatic approach to keep its best interests over the Spratly islands. Indeed, this is concrete illustration of the political realism in international relations not only for China and the Philippines but also to all of the claimant countries over the Spratly islands dispute.

Meanwhile keeping strong relationship with the ASEAN offers the Philippines to gain favour from member counties as a push factor in holding to its claims over the Spratly’s. The Spratly islands conflict will remain as long as China and the Philippines and the other four country claimants continue their stance over the disputed islands. Between China and the Philippines, unless one or both countries find windows of common grounds for settling the case, the conflict is likely to continue without any resolve.

The resolution of the Spratly islands conflict may be reached through diplomatic process, but seems far from reality as of the moment. The only positive way to arrive at certain mutually beneficial agreement could be through open dialogue between the two claimant countries. Nonetheless, continued peaceful and bilateral negotiations between China and the Philippines offer possible ways for resolving the conflict. This could ease the tension as China is more resolve to bilateral negotiations than the multinational process involving all the Spratly islands claimants. Another way is for the Philippines and China to subscribe to a diversion process. In other words, the two countries need to consider pursuing their diplomatic ties through mutual cooperation and initiative in connection with the Spratly islands aimed at stabilizing the bilateral relationship of both countries."

You can download their paper as well, if you want to in this link: https://www.academia.edu/13754740/Th...he_Philippines

The point really, is that the issue can only be solved via bilateral talks and mutual cooperation.

ayaw lang kalain ha kay imo ra bah friend nagsulat ana pero murag ma-parallel natu kay since as your friend is an International Relations student so mute-and-academic na pud ... aheheh


why? kay naa na man gud gipagawas nga desisyon ang Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) in which adtu ta mubasi


but to give credence sa imong friend, unlike sa desisyon sa PCA, as usual kaning sinulat sa imong friend kay kita mga Pinoy ang magpa-ubos o mu-give way sa China arun lang makabaton kalinaw ang maong area


oh gush, if mao ni imong ganahan kita kanunay musabot para at least dali ma-resolve issue? if mao man gani, pastilan .. kaalaot sa mga future Filipino generation


lipay tingali ka aning balita-a nga kita pa gikawangan-katungod .. atu pa gyud gipun-an ug gitunulan pa dungag nga hiwa nga para na unta sa atung mga anak



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ayaw lang kalain ha kay imo ra bah friend nagsulat ana pero murag ma-parallel natu kay since as your friend is an International Relations student so mute-and-academic na pud ... aheheh


why? kay naa na man gud gipagawas nga desisyon ang Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) in which adtu ta mubasi


but to give credence sa imong friend, unlike sa desisyon sa PCA, as usual kaning sinulat sa imong friend kay kita mga Pinoy ang magpa-ubos o mu-give way sa China arun lang makabaton kalinaw ang maong area


oh gush, if mao ni imong ganahan kita kanunay musabot para at least dali ma-resolve issue? if mao man gani, pastilan .. kaalaot sa mga future Filipino generation


lipay tingali ka aning balita-a nga kita pa gikawangan-katungod .. atu pa gyud gipun-an ug gitunulan pa dungag nga hiwa nga para na unta sa atung mga anak



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Familiar lagi kaau nang imung conclude then state ug link sa ubos.

Nowhere on the paper states na kita magpaubos. Stated is we engage in bilateral talks. Make agreements. Kaysa magsige ta ug push and pull until mu samot ug deteriorate ang relations and end up endagering the lives of the OFWs and the Philippine people.

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Something worth reading to those who cry why the US is not helping us with our claims.

Opinion | Philstar Mobile

America Should Drop Philippines Alliance: Thank Rodrigo Duterte for Encouraging Divorce | Cato Institute

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Something worth reading to those who cry why the US is not helping us with our claims.

Opinion | Philstar Mobile

America Should Drop Philippines Alliance: Thank Rodrigo Duterte for Encouraging Divorce | Cato Institute

Good read,
very realistic.

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ayaw lang kalain ha kay imo ra bah friend nagsulat ana pero murag ma-parallel natu kay since as your friend is an International Relations student so mute-and-academic na pud ... aheheh


why? kay naa na man gud gipagawas nga desisyon ang Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) in which adtu ta mubasi


but to give credence sa imong friend, unlike sa desisyon sa PCA, as usual kaning sinulat sa imong friend kay kita mga Pinoy ang magpa-ubos o mu-give way sa China arun lang makabaton kalinaw ang maong area


oh gush, if mao ni imong ganahan kita kanunay musabot para at least dali ma-resolve issue? if mao man gani, pastilan .. kaalaot sa mga future Filipino generation


lipay tingali ka aning balita-a nga kita pa gikawangan-katungod .. atu pa gyud gipun-an ug gitunulan pa dungag nga hiwa nga para na unta sa atung mga anak



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Hahaha realistic lang gud ta, unsa diay imo ganahan? If naa armed conflict with China, will you enlist yourself in the war? Are you okay with Filipinos dying?

Familiar lagi kaau nang imung conclude then state ug link sa ubos.

Nowhere on the paper states na kita magpaubos. Stated is we engage in bilateral talks. Make agreements. Kaysa magsige ta ug push and pull until mu samot ug deteriorate ang relations and end up endagering the lives of the OFWs and the Philippine people.

Thanks for pointing that out bai..

[vengeanceismine]

Hahaha realistic lang gud ta, unsa diay imo ganahan? If naa armed conflict with China, will you enlist yourself in the war? Are you okay with Filipinos dying?

yes! why not ... walay ganahan gubat pero kun mahitabo gyud na, ang2x man sab mo-ingon lang ka .. pusila nako


afterall, do we have a choice? maayo man kun Switzerland ta nga neutral state o Thailand surrender dayon wa pa magsugod gubat WWII nakig-negotiate dayon sa Japan di sila gubaton pero ipagamit ang ilang nasud as host sa mga Japanese forces. ing-ani tingali imong ganahan nga bahalag di maguba atung nasud ug surrender arun porma pa rin

Thanks for pointing that out bai

whatever



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See what can bilateral talk can do, and fix the diplomatic ties with china.... kay war man imo ganahan, pag una ug enlist.

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yes! why not ... walay ganahan gubat pero kun mahitabo gyud na, ang2x man sab mo-ingon lang ka .. pusila nako


afterall, do we have a choice? maayo man kun Switzerland ta nga neutral state o Thailand surrender dayon wa pa magsugod gubat WWII nakig-negotiate dayon sa Japan di sila gubaton pero ipagamit ang ilang nasud as host sa mga Japanese forces. ing-ani tingali imong ganahan nga bahalag di maguba atung nasud ug surrender arun porma pa rin







whatever



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What is Philippines when all it's citizens are dead? hahaha